Background: Kevin is the older brother of one of my closest O-town friends. We used to know each other in real life. He was a couple years ahead of us in school, but I knew him from G&T, drama club and of course OnStage. In college, we started IMing each other randomly about political nonsense, and in post college life we have maintained an email friendship, based on more political nonsense (and lots of other inanities).
okt3rrific: edwards = bill c of the 2000s
Just Rachel 129: yes, i have said that edwards is clinton 2.0
Just Rachel 129: i like him muchly
Just Rachel 129: maybe he can run in 08 instead of hillary
okt3rrific: well kerry will be running for a 2nd term as well so that would be quite interesting hihi
9/24/04
Just Rachel 129: red sox won
Just Rachel 129: so john kerry will triumph
okt3rrific: yes well
okt3rrific: these are facts
10/21/04
okt3rrific: bill c rules
Just Rachel 129: what did he do this time
okt3rrific: oh i dont even know
okt3rrific: he showed up in philly
okt3rrific: and 100k came along
10/25/04
Just Rachel 129: i’m just sick of it all. let the election be over, bush will win, hillary v rudy 2008
okt3rrific: rofl
okt3rrific: the rudy fantasy
okt3rrific: <2008> rudy who?
Just Rachel 129: yeah
Just Rachel 129: clinton/edwards 08
okt3rrific: haha nah
okt3rrific: edwards/obama
Just Rachel 129: meh, who is this obama character anyway? obama who?
okt3rrific: hillary has too much baggage i dont think she could ever pull it off sadly
okt3rrific: it would rule to have bill c as first lady
10/26/04
okt3rrific: i need chicken soup for the outraged liberal soul
8/2/05
okt3rrific: yeah thats what im thinking too.. but then again i didnt think bush would be re-elected so im not exactly an oracle
Just Rachel 129: heh, i TOLD you bush would get re-elected
Just Rachel 129: it’s too early to say anything about 08 anyway
okt3rrific: the primaries will certainly be interesting
okt3rrific: since its shaping up that there will be intra party battles on both sides.. though 06 will shape that somewhat as well
-8-2-05
okt3rrific: but there could be a reverse of 94 in 06 if he [bush] keeps tanking
9/12/05
okt3rrific: gopists are going down
okt3rrific: its written in the cards or something
Just Rachel 129: oooh, yay, how oracular
okt3rrific: haha
okt3rrific: seriously though
okt3rrific: miller [judith] had to have had something
okt3rrific: its over
okt3rrific: or else im over
10/1/05
Bill would help her, i think.. as he has a much better speaking style (my god i hope she doesn’t run.. I couldn’t listen to her for 8 months)
-Kevin 2/6/06
Dems aren’t too hot on Hillary. Despite what some would like us to think. (However, the big donors appear to still be behind her)
-Kevin 2/16/06
Rachel: Hilary would be a horrible choice, period. She panders to the center far too much. What was her bullshit in late 2005 about making sure children didn’t see anything sexual or violent on television? Blech. She’s polarizing, and people HATE her. She could definitely bring in the money, and I don’t even think Bill would hurt her, but people hate her. No way she could get enough support to win. If she runs, it will be the nastiest, most mudslinging campaign, ever
Kevin: Anyway yes it is hillarys pandering that gets libs against her. support of flag burning amendment? it all smacks of the stupid 2nd clinton term crap like v-chip and school uniforms.
-2/17/06
I still think it’s dillusional to claim mccain v hillary in 08. Not gonna happen.
-Rachel 2/21/06
Rachel: I predicted War with Iran, Oct 2006, over a year ago
Kevin: still in the “they’re not that stupid camp”
-February 2006
Kevin: iraq then health care are the big issues in 2008, i think. of course iraq could change by then but it doesn’t seem likely. economy will probably be 3rd.. also depends on how this housing thing plays out over the next year
-March 2006
Kevin: omg someone just scared the crap out of me. what if hillary runs with liebs ahHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhh
Rachel: You never heard anyone suggest that before? I thought that was old news, in terms of posssibilities. It’d be a horrible combination. No one likes Hillary, and certainly, no one likes a Jew
3/10/06
Kevin: I guess she figures [the nanny state pandering] wins over a lot of soccer moms, or something
Rachel: I thought soccer moms were out and nascar dads are in, or something? I think a lot of the soccer moms who she may be trying to win over are the ones that are not going to like her no matter what, either because she was too much of a powerful bitch that didn’t know her role when bill was in office, or she stood by her man, or a number of stupid things.
Keving: hahaha. yeah. i was a hillaryist a while ago but that’s definitely over.
-3/22/06
Kevin: yeah bill c chillin right now
Rachel: maybe hillary yelled at him for supporting dubai deal
Kevin: perhaps. the only positive of a hillary presidency would be bill c back in action (okay 2nd positive: not a gopist prez)
Rachel: yes, bill c would be an awesome “first man.” he would be given his special projects (like hillary was) except maybe he wouldn’t screw it up.
-4/3/06
Rachel: john mccain needs to be kicked in the head. i’m so sick of hearing people be like “i’m’ a democrat and i’d vote for john mccain” why? because he was a POW? boo-hoo. if anyone says that, then they’re not a democrat. It sounds a bit silly but it is just that simple. Theres nothing about mccain that is at all a democratic value.
Kevin: it’s more like they don’t understand mccain, at all, and they only know him from the 2000 primaries as the guy bush beat.
-5/1/06
Rachel: so obviously with midterm elections, the republicans will put out plenty of “the democrats are scary” propaganda. and the dems will run in hide because they are wusses
Kevin: if the dems dont get it this time around, i dunno what to do
-5/11/06
I’m already sick of Hillary
-Kevin 6/21/06
Rachel: i think obama is pretty overrated in terms of “guy who will save the democrats, OMG” Yeah he’s young, enthusiastic, and charismatic, but he’s never been in a situation where he’s had to prove he can appeal to a wide enough block of voters. I mean, minority in the senate all well in good, blah blah blah, diversity, but can anyone really say what the man’s accomplished? I’m not hating on obama, and I “get” what the big deal is about him, but i just don’t think he’s that big a deal.
Kevin: thing about obama is that he’s a good orator. Compared to most high-profile dems that gives him an instant boost. of course, the senate is where politicians go to die so i really dunno what his plan is-
Rachel: yeah, but it seems the good orator thing is about the only thing he has going for him. which, to get really cynical, is kind of even worse for the dems because people get all wrapped up in him, because he’s charismatic, and then they realize that (at least for now) he doesn’t have much political capital. And senators never become presidents. Governors become presidents.
Kevin: well his political capital is still unknown i guess. he’s in the minority and the 2nd least senior member. and yes, govs become prez thats why corzine is a hero or something hihi (yes i know he is ultralib and cant be prez plus he has a beard)
-7/12/06
Rachel: She’ll never win the primaries
Kevin: I wish I could agree with that conviction, however, john kerry won the primaries
7/13/06
Kevin: speaking of edwards im thinking he is next prez
Rachel: i said that dem convention 2004, stop stealing my ideas-
Kevin: yeah i reckon you did. clark will be VP. Sorry hillary.
Rachel: i always thought edwards had the potential to be a clinton 2.0. his daughter is kind of hot and was very poised when she spoke at DNC. She is Chelsea 2.0. If john edwards were to win the primaries i would actively support his campaign for the presidency. there is no other democrat who i can say that about. i would vote for john edwards.
Kevin: Well now i absolutely have to get edwards to win the primary.
7/25/06
edwards 08!
-Rachel, 8/3/06
Rachel: some guy i know is talking about how he wants liebs because he is a true centrist and that’s what this country needs. i thought he was being sarcastic. blech. lieberman is a statist with a tendency towards social conservatism. i do not like hi
Kevin: lieberman isnt even a centrist. lieberman and mccain are the two most misrepresented politicians. lieberman’s mostly lib except for a few small social issues like videogames, and of course he’s aligned with bush on iraq because.. i dont really know why. He buys into the whole “talking shit about bush emboldens the enemy” or something.
8/9/06
okt3rrific: Behind McCain’s Blast at Bush Over the War
Analysis: in accusing the White House of misleading America, the senator is flashing his independent credentials
okt3rrific: lol
okt3rrific: yeah for the 6 weeks out of the year he’s a “maverick”
Just Rachel 129: haha
okt3rrific: by october he’ll be back in line
Conversation ended at 8/23/06 6:37:01 PM.
Kevin: although the article does contain the canard that mccain is “centrist”. if he ever runs for national office again this would hopefully be put to rest.
Rachel: I don’t see how mccain could run for office when he is apporximately 19,000 years old
-9/15/06
okt3rrific: “I think I’d just commit suicide.” — Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), quote by Radio Iowa, on what he would do if Democrats take control of the U.S. Senate.
okt3rrific: please?
10/18/06
newsweek declares “the race is on” between hillary and obama… two people who haven’t even declared yet.
-Kevin, 12/28/06
Kevin: clark better run goddamnit
Rachel: you like clark now?-
Kevin: I have always liked clark. however in 2004 i liked others more (well, really, other)
1/17/07
Rachel: hillary is stupid
Kevin: hillary ugh. it was bad enough when she wasn’t running for president.
Rachel: i know, now we’ll never be rid of her 
1/22/07
Kevin: Kerry, not running, yay!
1/26/07
Kevin: rumors of clark and guliani run increasing
Rachel: I don’t know why clark would run. He’s irrelevant.
Kevin: These are lies of course
2/1/07
Kevin: My prediction: bush keeps us in iraq until january 20, 2009, approx 12:10pm upon which time the new dem president will be forced to do a vietnam-style pullout and the GOP will try to create another 30 years of attacks on dems for being logical in foreign policy (at least this time it’ll actually be a dem who does it, unlike last time where they ignore the fact it was ford who pulled out..)
Rachel: What if the gops win?
Kevin: haha, of course I’m not allowing for that possibility. However, in the unlikely event (shutup) i don’t think a GOPist is going to be elected in 2008 on stay the course, therefore if a GOPist were elected, it would be vietnam all over again. GOP prez would pullout and the base would blame the dem congress/liberal hippies blahblah.. a GOP pullout might not be as quick.. who knows since in 2 years the situation will no doubt be different there havent been polls lately.. but iraq 60-70% oppose escalation.. in one poll only 25% supported bush on iraq. i just dont see those numbers getting better and of course i dont see the situation getting better and i cant see how a GOPist would win on a platform staying there.. GOP has some serious thinking to do running up to 2008.. they’re gonna be split on iraq, they’re starting to split on social issues (i.e. giuliani-types vs. fundies), they’re pretty much already split in terms of the libertarian faction…of course, who the dem nominee is could change everything (hillary)
Rachel: yes, the GOPists definitely have some serious obstacles if they want to win in 2008, because it would basically take a miracle for things to get any better in Iraq. hell, from a strictly infrastructure perspective, parts of baghdad don’t have consistent electricity and water. how bad the splits in the GOPist regime are depends on the candidate too. plus if its mccain, i can picture him being pretty simliar to stay the course.
in terms of a dem candidate, if its hilary, they will destory her. hilary isn’t a strong candidate as it is, and the character attacks would ruin her, and america is stupid. i like obama and all, but who knows with him. clark could probably run a campaign about a responsible pullout since he’s all military and stuff.-
-2/2/07
Rachel: i read an article about barack obama in People and now I kind of like him more. I’m so shallow.
2/21/07
[on troop withdrawal]
Kevin: imo bush has until the end of this year. past that and we’re officially into election season. the candidates can disagree with the policy all they want, but it’ll hurt GOP if iraq is still an issue during 08 election. in the same vein though, it’ll hurt hillary if it’s still an issue since she doesn’t seem to want to end the thing. imo bush has until the end of this year. past that and we’re officially into election season. the candidates can disagree with the policy all they want, but it’ll hurt GOP if iraq is still an issue during 08 election. in the same vein though, it’ll hurt hillary if it’s still an issue since she doesn’t seem to want to end the thing. [2/27/07]
did I bush bash yet today? i cant remember
-Kevin 3/14/07
now mccain says he would have gone around iraq w/o guards but the general told him not to. how exactly does this support his point that iraq is safe ?
Kevin 4/10/07
Rachel: <complains about owl being outside and hooting in the morning>
Kevin: At this hour?
Rachel: I don’t know, maybe they stay up through the morning sometimes? I’m not an owl expert
Kevin: I want to be an owl expert.
Rachel: I just saw the first part and thought it said ‘I want to be an owl’
Kevin: Being an owl would also be acceptable
[we didn’t talk about the election for few months, because there was plenty of outrage in Iraq.
omg hillary go away
-Kevin, July 2007
Kevin: well it looks like i’ve finally decided on a candidate: Obama Stops Wearing Flag Pin
10/4/07
Republican presidential front-runner Rudy Giuliani is leaving the door open to allowing the blind and physically disabled to carry guns.
10/25/07 (rudy was a front runner? – November 2008)
Rachel: edwards i like edwards. i don’t know why i like him so much, but i always have. i hope he gets some good cabinet position (assuming the dems win. which they probably won’t, because hilary will not be president.)
Kevin: i dunno why you like edwards either, since he’s the most left of the candidates (well except kucinich, I guess). but he doesn’t want VP so I doubt he’d take a cabinet position.
1/31/08
Kevin: oh my it’s officially mccain
Rachel: oh my, this is going to be a stupid election.
Kevin: i’ve pretty much decided on obama by default. it’s not that i don’t like hillary.. but i don’t like the ppl she surrounds herself with. i had either forgot or didn’t hear previously.. terry mcauliffe is her chairman. ugh.
2/7/08
justrachel129: obama v hillary debate. who cares, get this nonsense over with
okt3rrific: outrageous
okt3rrific: first 45 mins was all about gotchas
justrachel129: and they talked about the flag pin for like 10 minutes
justrachel129: she HATES him
okt3rrific: i hate her
justrachel129: i hate her too, but her hatred of him is so palpitable its scary
okt3rrific: all she did for first 30 mins was repeat gop talking points
justrachel129: if i were obama, i’d be sleeping with a knife under my pillow. hillary might try to kill him in his sleep
okt3rrific: thats not correct, the law doesn’t ban ownership
okt3rrific: it’s just that the cops wont register your gun to be in compliance with the law hihi
4/17/08
Rachel: the dems will lose in november and it will be all her fault
Kevin: well these are all lies (what is the bet)
Rachel: i said in december maybe that if hillary wins the nomination, it will delay the election of a woman president by at least 50 years. and someone of course replied “especially is she wins the presidency”
5/6/08
Kevin: anyway, fuck i forgot what i meant to write.. oh yeah, the real election question.. would i vote for bloomberg over obama..
2/15/08
Rachel: clinton still is going to win, somehow. awful.
Kevin: total lies she has no chance
Rachel: so who would mccain have a harder time against?
Kevin: me, but i’m not running. anyway the real answer is obama, imo. Because Hillary has been in the public spotlight for 15+ years, most people already have a firm opinion of her. People are much more likely to change their opinion about Obama than Hillary. I don’t think this applies to McCain.. although he has been in public life for 25+ years, as a senator you don’t get the same scrutiny (although he is rather high profile and obviously ran for pres in 2000).
2/20/08
Rachel: This hillary/obma thing better be settled soon
Kevin: Yeah, no shit it better be settled. I’m sick of hillary’s GOP tactics
Rachel: I think its gonna go on after tonight though. anyone over 50 doesn’t want obama
3/4/08
Rachel: i’m still betting on a mccain vic you know? and i really, really want to be wrong. i just don’t think i am.
Kevin: you are.
9/26/08
