Me: at the lecture today the guy referred to bush as “shifty” which i thought was a good description

Brent: it is, he’s like a crafty ape

Me: well he was talking about how we’ve lost whatever credibility we might have had, because we should have started doing something about regaining stablity in the region as soon as bush declared major combat over, but bush keeps changing the direction of the mission

and he wants to do things so it works out around election time, which is impossible

Brent: those crazy bush planners… what won’t they do!

Me: you can’t bring democracy to a country thats ethnically and religiously fragmented, and has never had democracy and has no gov’t structure in 8 months, which is what they want to do

Brent: what they’ll end up with is a weak democracy that falls apart quickly

Me: well look at afghanistan. We set up government there quickly, it was real successful

Brent: well no one cares about that

Me: exactly “Thats not the issue”